‘We’re Going to Take Over the World’

Let’s actually go back to the morning of September 11, 2001. Where were you? What did you see? What did you think at the time?

I was actually out in Oneonta, New York, where I had gone to college. I’d recently dropped out but I was living with a couple of my fraternity brothers who were still in college.

And I was working at a pizza place late night. I didn’t get to home till like 4:00 in the morning times. So all of a sudden, my buddy comes into my room, he goes the Twin Towers are gone. I’m like, what are you talking about, man?

And in the urinal is Osama bin Laden’s face and it says “Operation Enduring Freedom.” And I’m thinking to myself, I’m pissing on Osama bin Laden’s face and so is every 12 to 18-year-old. Like, there was just something in my brain that said you know what, I need to make sure that this guy did this. I really have no idea who he is, I have no background in any of these geopolitics or the past.

This is crazy that kids are peeing on this guy’s face. Just something in my brain was like, that’s wrong.

All the things that happened in the wake of 9/11 touched me to the core, and I wanted to process them.

And you know — one reason I became an activist is I was happily married, I had the kids, I had the luxury of being able to do it. And I felt that moral obligation.

I didn’t want us to lose our civil rights. I didn’t want to see the United States go to war. And then because I’m an activist, I get all these emails from all sorts of people questioning the official story and looking at some of the anomalies and strange things about September 11th.

So I organized like the first march demanding an investigation of 9/11 in January 2002. And we met with the staff of Feinstein and Boxer and raised these questions.

And I had a table — I gave away cookies, just to get them thinking about the big questions that I felt needed to be raised.

All I wanted was a timeline of the day. So really the first thing I found — and you can still, I think, find it up there — it was like 40 pages long, and it was www.911timeline.net. All right. It was 12 a.m. to 12 a.m., and all these different anomalies and weird things and stories that had links. And I read this thing, and I’m just like, Jesus Christ.

Were you kind of alone in this in your personal life? Did you have friends who are also questioning the dominant narrative about 9/11 or was it kind of just like your thing?

I mean, you know, some friends were very upset. But other people who lived with me and like whatever, they would look at the evidence. But I’ll tell you what, my stepfather was like one day trying to crack a joke at me that, you know, I just don’t want to see you end up being in the basement with a bunch of jars of ears. And I’m like, what are you talking about, man?

At that time, you know, there was just no challenging this narrative. You know what I mean? There’s just all that pressure.

Saddam Hussein is harboring terrorists and the instruments of terror.

And he cannot be trusted.

There’s a story in The New York Times this morning —

— he has been seeking to acquire the kinds of tubes that are necessary to build a centrifuge. And the centrifuge is required to build a bomb. This is a —

The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t but —

So every week I was out there on the streets, and in the early days people would be surprised by my questions or questioning the official narrative of 9/11. And then I would later see them at the anti-war rallies and then they would be completely on board, giving me the thumbs up and much more knowledgeable. And people would just flock to our tables for materials. They were just so hungry for the information.

I would get I would get so many unsolicited DVDs in the mail. I mean, some of them — I still remember, I have one right here. It’s called “Severe Visibility.” [LAUGHS]

Welcome to Mohamed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus. I’m standing in front of the Venice, Florida airport. There is a massive conspiracy going on to cover up what happened on these runways before September 11.

We’re being lied to about the nature of the conspiracy that took down the World Trade Center. Lied to by the —

I know “Aftermath: Unanswered Questions From 9/11” was one of the earliest films.

Unanswered question number one: To what extent should airlines have been prepared for September 11?

Some of them just had a lecture.

I’d like to start off by asking a question. I’d like a show of hands.

Hello, I’m Alex Jones. In this film we’re first going to look at some historical examples of tyrants and governments, oligarchies alike, using crises, in many cases, terrorist events, that they themselves —

I would say it’s a variable quality. Some of the production values were —

sometimes it was higher quality, and sometimes it was lower quality.

God bless Alex Jones or whatever, but it was still some guy at an access TV station with a blue curtain, with some graphics rolled over. It wasn’t After Effects. It wasn’t done with Premiere. It didn’t flow with a crazy backbeat.

Set the scene for me the first time you saw “Loose Change.” Do you remember where you were? Do you remember what site you saw it on, or if somebody e-mailed it to you?

I know that. No, I downloaded the AVI, so I pirated it for sure. Probably Morpheus at the time. It was either Morpheus or Kazaa, depending on —

I remember it taking a long time. It was like an hour-long documentary. I don’t think my computer at the time could have handled an hour long video.

Well I — dude, it’s 700 megabytes.

I uh, I got an eyewitness who said there was an explosion on floor seven to eight. Seven to eight.

The issue of the World Trade Center’s collapse is at the crux of the story of September 11.

The highest temperature was in the east corner of the South Tower, where a temperature of 1,377 degrees Fahrenheit was recorded. The molten steel in the basement was more than double that temperature.

We’ve received word of a possibility of a secondary device. That is another bomb going off —

The tripod shakes exactly nine seconds before the tower begins collapsing.

I was blown away.

It wasn’t so much that it was mind-blowing because of the facts, it was because it had production values. So I come from a generation of film being the dominant language, period. You know, that kind of like MTV, cut, boom, boom, boom. And it had that. And I just knew right then that this was going to be a tool that the masses would reach.

A lot of people think this is corny, I don’t even know if I should tell you this, but hey, it’s what actually happened. Not a religious guy, but I prayed to whatever God you could believe in and I just closed my eyes, and I put my hands together, and I said, look. I don’t know how this is going to work, but if you get me involved with this I will fight my ass off and I promise you I’ll do what I can.

Was anyone actually convinced by it that you hadn’t been able to convince before?

Yeah, absolutely. And that was another thing. Where —

Who?

Friends. I would say fraternity brothers, I would say friends back home. A lot more people.

I think it might have been two months later, I was still working nights at the pizzeria. And I told you how I was burning disks and handing them out, right? I hand it to my delivery guy, and he goes oh, I know these guys. I go what do you mean you know these guys? He goes well, Korey just came back into town and Dylan is going to be here next week. And I go how do you know them? He’s like well, they’re from here.

I’m like really? He’s like yeah, I can get Korey over here if you want. I’m like, please do!

And Korey comes in and he starts talking to me. We have a two-hour conversation. The next thing I know he’s going home to get me a copy of the script for the second edition that he wants me to go through and edit.

The thing that I had actually prayed for, probably the only thing I prayed for in my adult life, OK, actually happened. I told them as we were making this, we’re going to take over the world.

Right? So I had to be there 8:00 in the morning every day, and there was two nights a week that I was also working until 3:00 in the morning at the pizza shop.

And so there was actually a drum set in my living room, it was a nightmare. And these guys used to get way — I mean, I wanted to kill these guys all the time.

You know, Dylan’s usually at my house at like 6 o’clock, and he’s sitting in a beanbag chair. And he’s usually going through this, and you know I’m usually just doing my thing. Looking stuff up, and maybe we should add this, and blah, blah, blah.

Really, my job was to go through all these other archives and clip out the 15 seconds of a three-hour clip and say this is probably what we should use, where can we fit it?

Obviously, sitting down and watching the movie 150 times, the three of us, we would say you should cut that there. But usually, I mean especially his editing, is crisp. He’s a hell of an editor. He has good timing and beats. You know —

There were certain things I didn’t want in the film. And you know —

Like what?

Well, for instance, the Cleveland stuff.

I thought it was going to backfire. I wasn’t quite sold on it, I’m still not, I never have been. And you know, what can you do? Dylan felt strongly about it at the time.

For me, I know that I spend a lot of time worrying about making mistakes, and I guess I’m just wondering how it felt for you to work on something that you had doubts about, there were certain facts that you knew weren’t bulletproof. Like how did that feel to work on?

I would just say that we were filled with such a bombardment of lies from the mainstream and possibly a never-ending war and that was my main concern.

March 13, 1962. Lyman Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff —

The real plane would be converted into a drone. The two planes would rendezvous south of Florida. The passenger laden plane would land at Eglin Air Force base to evacuate its passengers.

And so some of us supported her and we helped her, and there was a showing. And that film screening made like USA Today and helped get more attention.

The first moment that I knew that we were on the right track and things were really moving was we got our first celebrity buy, and it was Joe Rogan bought 10 copies, OK. And I’m a big M.M.A. fan, I was a big M.M.A. fan back then, and I remember Rogan ordering a 10-pack and packing that up and being like, here we go.

People were uploading our video and then they were also translating into multiple languages and it was taking off there.

And if you look at that era we were by far the most watched Google Video of all time, period. There’s not even one that’s close.

2006, that’s when we had the big 9/11 truth conference in Chicago. And we had a huge conference. We had 500 people there. And we did a March through downtown Chicago with Alex Jones. I was a big deal.

We would network with groups in Australia and Europe, and all sorts of people were doing actions just everywhere. The movement was just growing by leaps and bounds.

Who do you think people are who accept your version of events, or are fascinated with your version of events rather than the mainstream version of events?

That is what is so unbelievable about our film, is that it doesn’t just cater to the conspiracy theory crowd. We have conservatives, we have Republicans. I mean it has this viral effect on people, and I think that its popularity is a testament that there is a ring of truth to it.

It was the most effective thing ever.

Virgin Airlines carried it on their flights. It aired on the History Channel in several different countries as “Loose Change.” It was through the empowerment of the internet that was its ultimate success, my friend.

And I’ll tell you what, people that had been nasty to me before and refused to look at it, a lot of them did look at it. A lot of them apologized to me. It’s like, even my stepfather. There was no joke cracking about ears and stuff, that was long gone. He got it.

What were your hopes? What did you hope it would accomplish?

Change the world, man. I wanted a real investigation into 9/11. I wanted criminals accountable. Like, I’m not playing around. That’s what I wanted. I wanted justice.

But I was naive, to be honest with you.

I think that probably the wind started getting out of the sails of the 9/11 truth movement when Bush and Cheney left office. And when Obama came to power there was this ridiculous sigh of relief like oh, the Democrats are in power, now we’re safe.

What you’re about to see are some new findings regarding pizzagate, which are disturbing to say the least.

Most of my presentation will deal with the first explosion site near the finish line.

They controlled 100 percent of coronavirus.

I don’t think there’s anybody out there who’s going to argue with a straight face that this is a real human being.

Do you think Loose Change’s success made people feel more willing and able to kind of question authority and official narratives beyond just 9/11?

That’s exactly what it did. That sentence is correct. Our film absolutely had people questioning narratives, as they should, outside of 9/11 — as 9/11 is one small part of many larger lies. I would give you that 100 times over, Kevin. I hope that’s our legacy, quite frankly.

I mean, to be quite honest, I don’t trust the establishment. I don’t think we’ve been given any reason to trust the establishment, I don’t like to be gaslit. So if something I was involved with got people to question more things, I think that’s healthy.

Hi. My name’s Jason, and I used to be just a good old average American kid living in upstate New York. There’s me.

So yeah, man, that’s what I’m here to cover. People that are resisting the system. And I think it’s a system of oppression, and obviously on a daily basis I tell people why. And you know, I’ve said it from the very beginning. I’ve never been about left or right, it’s always about right and wrong. I don’t play team baseball, I don’t think anybody should, and we never looked at it that way. You know, me and Dylan today don’t agree on a lot politically, you know, and we still talk. We saw each other on January 6. You know, I saw — yeah.

At the Capitol?

Absolutely. Not at the actual Capitol, but we were over at the Ellipse, right, while everything was going on.

What were you doing there?

I went to cover it. Thought it was a big news story, I wanted to see how many people were going to come out. I obviously did not go inside. I was not part of a protest. I didn’t have — I didn’t have a MAGA hat —

Do you think that the election results weren’t accurate or did you have questions about the official narrative about the election?

I’ll straight up tell you, I do believe that they stole the election for sure.

I’m OK. I think I’m just slightly sleep-deprived, because it’s been pretty intense here in California, to put it mildly. Just because there’s all these mandates being passed, and all these protests, and a lot of organizing going on. Because honestly, to me, the Covid-19 event is more like 9/11 on steroids. It’s 9/11 ratcheted up a few levels and 9/11 really laid the foundation for this. You realize there’s a very sinister continuity to the events of Covid-19 and the events of 9/11.

We have to show “Seven“! We’ve been wanting to show that for so long. So we have to show that.

My message to unvaccinated Americans is this: What more is there to wait for? What more do you need to see? We’ve made vaccinations free, safe and convenient.

We’ve been patient, but our patience is wearing thin And your refusal has cost all of us.